Teen Gothic

i’m looking for goth bands that originate from Los Angeles, preferably more niche bands! i just live in the general area and i want to support smaller goth bands, but more popular recs are also welcome

Some background:I recently got into the subculture and fell in love with the music, and I'm getting into the fashion and it's growing on me a lot recently.

I would like some ideas or recommendations in attire cause my entire wardrobe consists of dark colored sweaters, button ups, dark jeans, and a few band tees I got on discount. I'm on the smaller/shrimper side of that helps.

Also, I'm having trouble finding bands I like, and have just been listening to a few artists and playlists I have found in the wild, and from the sub. Much help would be greatly appreciated.

Title.

I just wanna open up a discussion

E.g. Someone dressed/looking like trad goth but doesn’t identify as goth.

I think the vocals sound really pretty in this song and I like how “spooky” it sounds.

I recently got interested into goth, and I'm trying to make things clear to myself.

I kind of know what is considered goth music (post punk, gothic rock, dark wave, cold wave, ethereal wave, grey rock, etc…). I also know that gothic metal is not goth.

But I am wondering if goth as a subculture is just about goth music, or it encompasses kind of broader lifestyle and worldview that would encompass things like appreciating other kinds of alternative music like metal, industrial music, art rock, indy, then of course gothic literature, horror movies, or dark romantic psychological thrillers, like film noir and stuff like that like Mulholland drive for example, or stuff like Andrei Tarkovsky's Stalker, or Kubrick's Clockwork Orange.

Is it also open to stuff like classical literature, like Dostoevsky's "Notes from Underground", existentialist literature like Jean Paul Sartre, absurdist stuff like Beckett's Waiting for Godot, stuff like Steppenwolf, or BDSM classics like Venus in Furs etc. Some forms of classical music like Wagner's operas, Beethoven's Late string quartets or "Grosse Fuge", stuff like Richard Strauss Also Sprach Zaratustra, Carmina Burana, etc. Or even Bach's "Toccata and Fugue".

I guess the answer I'll get is "You're welcome to appreciate all that stuff but it's not required to be a goth, nor is it a part of the subculture".

But I'm still kind of wondering… Limits of goth genre are well known to me. But I've always considered subculture to be more like a lifestyle kind of thing, certain attitude to life, certain sensibility. I mean if the this elusive thing that makes goth goth is important enough for goths to influence their fashion and style, wouldn't it then be be surprising if there was no broader effects on attitudes to life, lifestyle, and artistic / aesthetic tastes?

Is any of the things I listed close enough / adjacent enough to goth to be considered a part of it (even if it's kind of on periphery and not in the very core of the subculture).

Is there anything else goths have in common frequently enough to be considered a part of subculture (even in "sort of" kind of way) besides goth music, and a certain fashion style?

Is goth subculture broader than goth as a music genre?

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One thing I generally notice is that people tend to over look the hidden gems of goth music coming from Latin America. I found out about this band from Chile not that long ago. They are definitely worth a try. Here is the link: Vacvvm (the band name)

If you have any other cool underground band suggestions from Latin America, please share them! I am always open to new music.

Hello! I started checking out goth and post-punk music for a while and I'm still new to the subculture. I mostly listen to hardcore, post-hardcore, and pop punk. The goth music I've checked out is the top few well known bands (bauhaus, sisters of mercy, joy division) and I like some of their songs. I'd like to get recommendations that matches the speedy and heavy style of hardcore (e.g. i listen to black flag, bad brains, moss icon) or somewhere like pop punk (mcr, afi). Thanks.